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Chris Brandow's avatar

I really like this blog/newsletter so far. I have one request/suggestion, I’d love to see you refine your critiques further on popularists. As others have pointed out a to a degree, many of your critiques of them so far have actually been arguments with which many of them agree. I’d love to get a better sense of what the actual points of contention are, since everyone seems to agree that winning elections is important and that movement building is important. So is the disagreement about when to focus on each activity or what those terms mean or something else.

Thanks! There’s just about nothing more important to our cointe’s medium term prospects than a vibrant, successful Democratic Party.

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I think the issue is that there's three distinct but overlapping points that the Matt Yglesias types (I include myself) make:

1) Politicians in an election need to win +50% support in the here and now. There's little time for persuasion during a campaign, you need to win with the electorate you have. The electorate that we have is mostly made up of people whose political views are more moderate, messy, & poorly-defined than the passionate partisans on either side. This doesn't just mean "do whatever working class white men want".  Black women vote Democratic by bigger margins than anyone else, but even these voters aren't a bunch of DSA progressives & leftists. *All* demographics are mostly made up of people who aren't passionate ideologues.

2) Pundits, activists, think tanks, etc. should persuade people of what is true and right, *especially* if those positions are currently unpopular. But many of them have a bad habit of saying things that appeal to people who already agree with them, at the expense of persuading people who disagree. A lot of online sociopolitical discourse is people in the left-most 5% of the population accusing the people in the left-most 20% of the population of being "right-wing". That's not how persuasion or movement-building works. (I'm conflating "pundits and activists" with "online sociopolitical discourse" here. Maybe I shouldn't?)

3) There are many cases where progressives are wrong on the merits, where the things they say just aren't true and right to begin with. Or maybe I'm the one whose wrong on the merits! This is normal disagreement, and should be resolved by arguing back and forth in good faith.

These ideas have some overlap. All of them are some form of "Progressives are a niche group. They should listen to moderates". But they're fully independent claims. A politician will fail if they can't get +50% support. Activists will fail if they're only preaching to the choir. And of course we should figure out what ideas are true and right on the merits.

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